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Trevor Blake: Good on You! An Atheist Table at Portland Community College

20 August 2010 » In atheist, christianity, creationism, education, islam, ovo, sex, trevorblake, zine

Between April 11 and April 15 of 2004, I hosted an atheist table at Portland Community College in Portland, Oregon. This is an account of what I did, how I did it, and the response to what I did.

Getting the table was not difficult: I submitted the same paperwork that the religious groups on campus submit every other week of the year and my request was approved right away. I only asked for an hour a day for four days, due to other school obligations. Most religious groups have their tables out all day for weeks on end.

I spent about $40 printing some pamphlets I made. My pamphlets consisted of quotes from religious sources such as the Christian Bible and the Quran. The idea was that direct quotes from the source presented without comment would speak louder than any criticism I could offer. The quotes were gathered according to themes such as science, women, prophecies, etc. I also requested literature from atheist groups and several generously answered my request: Campus Freethought Alliance, Center for Inquiry, Council for Secular Humanism, and United States Atheists. I decided to keep the effort ‘ecumenical’ in that I wasn’t there representing any particular organization. By the end of the week I learned that the professionally published literature is taken more readily than the home-made photocopies, and that everyone loves stickers. I decorated a second-hand tablecloth with the word ATHEIST in large, black letters – no missing this table, no missing what this table was about (or so I hoped). PCC specifically forbids collecting personal information on campus, so I didn’t have a sign-up sheet as the Campus Freethought Alliance suggests. Nor did I primarily promote humanism rather than critique religion, as the CFA suggets. For this first effort on campus I want it to be clear that religion itself, not just particular groups or people or claims, was not exempt from criticism. I also set up a simple Web page for those who wanted to get or share more information.

Many people had questions about the atheist table. Some wanted to know if there was an official atheist club on campus, and what the club did. I said that there was not school-sponsored club because I knew that some students wouldn’t feel comfortable if their student activities fee went toward such a club. PCC offers up to $500 per group per year. There are at least five or six religious clubs on campus at all times, and no limit to the number of clubs that could exist. Two people said ‘but the Christian groups don’t hesitate in taking my money.’ I said that was a decision that PCC and the Christian groups made, and suggested they take it up with PCC and the Christians if they disapproved. I said many times that while there was no club, we did have a Web page and that I hoped in the future to either bring in or be a guest speaker on atheism, religion, church/state issues, and the like.

Some who stopped by the table had questions not about what I was offering but what I wasn’t offering. Why not have a separation of church and state table instead of an atheist table? Why aren’t there any pamphlets on creationism versus evolution? Why are there only pamphlets about Christianity and Islam, and not other religions? The general answer was that there was only so much I could do on this first attempt at an atheist table but all of these issues had relevant links and information at the Web site.

Some people had philosophical questions such as why we are here, where the first life came from, what happens when we die, whether or not there was a spiritual world, and ‘how do you live’ (which seemed to mean how can an atheist have ethics and a joy in living while remaining unconvinced by claims of God or an afterlife). I replied that I have read several theories as to how the earliest life appeared on Earth but I don’t consider myself versed enough in science to have a deep understanding of the subject, so I didn’t know for sure how life first formed. But I said it is more likely that there is a natural explanation than a supernatural one. Regarding ‘how I live’ I said I was not convinced by claims that there was an afterlife or a spiritual world or God. I said people can have the purpose they give themselves, and that can be its own reward. I have worked at a homeless shelter and as an American Sign Language interpreter for many years. I’ve taken classes on how to teach children with learning disabilities and how to be a better counselor. I am a member of Amnesty International and donate to charitable organizations. That’s some of ‘how I live’ without God.

A few people offered their unsolicited analysis about why I was hosting an atheist table. They said I must have had a bad experience with religion, or I must have never read the Bible, or I must have never really read the Bible, or I must have never had someone explain the Bible to me in just the right way. I replied that I had an entirely positive religious experience growing up, and that part of my religious upbringing was being encouraged to read the Bible. I started reading it as a child, and I have read from it ever since. The more I read, the more problems I find. Is it possible that the right explanation from the right explainer will make it all true again? It is possible, but I think it is very unlikely this will happen. Some claim atheism is obviously false because it claims to have ‘all the answers,’ but I suggest it is religion that has a one-size-fits-all answer (‘God did it’) and it is atheism that keeps asking questions.

People asked me what atheism was. I gave two answers: that atheism is what is left over when the claims of religion are found to be false, and that atheism is a rejection of the supernatural. The former explains why atheism is not ‘just another religion,’ the later explains what atheism is against. It might have been less confrontational to have a secular humanist table instead of an atheist table, but I confess I enjoyed tweaking the noses of the religious on campus. The worst I can say about them is I don’t believe their claims. Their holy books say I should be put to death (the Christians have Deuteronomy 13:6-10, the Muslims have Quran 2:191). I think they can stand a little confrontation.

I managed to distribute nearly all of the literature I had, but the experience wasn’t only one of being a teacher. I also learned from the experience. I learned there was a uniformity in how non-Christians perceived Christians: without exception, non-Christians spoke of Christians as liars and bullies. I was asked seven times if I was ‘serious,’ if I was really an atheist. I was asked this more than anything else. The reason why people asked if I was ‘serious’ was they thought the table was a trick by Christian. Five times I was asked if any Christians had harassed me yet. Christians are clearly are not viewed favorably on campus outside of their own circle. Non-Christians see Christians as people prone to misrepresent themselves to ‘win souls’ and to abuse those who disagree with them. I hope Christians reading this do not use this as evidence they are a persecuted group; being disliked is not evidence of being put down, and there may be entirely valid reasons for their being disliked. If anyone reading this who is not a Christian has thought in the past they were alone in mistrusting Christians, that they are in a critical minority, they might like to know that instead they are the majority. But it is a majority that has been deceived and bullied into silence.

The dislike and mistrust for Christians on campus was one thing I learned from hosting an atheist table. Another thing was how clearly divided Christians are in their behavior based on gender. Of those who identified themselves as Christians, wore Christian jewelry or carried Christian Bibles, the men and the women acted entirely differently. The Christian women both asked questions and gave answers. They spoke and listened to me and to other people at the table. The Christian men, however, were angry and condescending. I was told by the Christian men I ‘must live an empty life,’ that I ‘didn’t know what I was talking about,’ that I ‘should read the Bible before I quote from it,’ and more. Men also tended to exhibit a ‘rant and run’ behavior – they would bark out a comment or a judgment, sometimes in the middle of my listening to someone else, then literally run away. Sticking around to hear anything I had to say in reply was not in the cards for these Christian men. It was a man who asked the confusing question ‘Why are you pointing out all the things that are wrong in the Bible that are true anyway?’ It was a man who said that asking Christians to defend their claims, as I did in my pamphlets, was saying Christians are stupid. If the bad reputation of Christians is based in experience, I suggest it is Christian men and not Christian women who are to blame. No other categorization of Christians, such as age or ethnicity, was apparent.

A few Christians of both genders came to the table more than one day. And both a male and a female Christian gave the same reply to what turned out to be the most popular pamphlet I offered (see below). Regarding the fact that Jesus said that He would return and the world would end ‘soon’ (a ‘soon’ that came and went two thousand years ago), they said that a day to God was like a thousand years and a thousand years was like a day. Although one Christian mistakenly said this was a quote from Psalms, I found the quote in 2 Peter 3:8. The unknown author of 2 Peter references the letter of Jude, which was written around 80-100 CE. Thus the 1=1000 claim could only have been made after Jesus was already one or more generations late. In fact, the main point of 2 Peter Chapter 3 is to answer those who were asking, all the way back then, why Jesus hadn’t returned in their lifetimes as He had promised He would. People were asking if Jesus had lied (or been a lie) two thousand years ago. People are still asking today. But some aren’t asking anything: they just accept that when you put God into the picture, you don’t have to mean what you say or say what you mean. Jesus promised (thirty times or more!) to return within the lifetime of those who saw Him; He didn’t, but His followers claim He said that, He never lied, He is coming back, and somehow at the same time He is coming back two thousand years ago. Might all this confusion contribute to the perception that Christians are liars?

Based on conversations, repeat visits, and other signs of apparent interest it seems that my pamphlet questioning Christian prophecy was the most popular. It is possible that the topics presented in the pamphlets I offered were not the main reason people selected some and not others. Perhaps they picked up what was closest to them, or what was the most colorful. For whatever reason, here are the topics covered and how many of each pamphlet were taken:

Thirty Failed Prophecies: 28
The Bible Condones Slavery and Racism: 20
Women in the Bible: 16
Antisemitism in the Bible: 14
Papal-sanctioned Child Abuse: 10
Antisemitism from Martin Luther: 9
Fantastic Claims of Islam: 9
God Hates Homosexuality: 8
The Bible on the Origins of Life: 8
The Bible on the Origins of the Earth: 6

Only one person mentioned Islam at all (saying he had seen a table for an Islamic group before). Although there is no small Islamic presence on campus, no Muslim identified themselves to me, sought to understand what I was doing or challenge my claims. Nor was any other religion defended during this week. Instructors at PCC seemed to neither entirely avoid from nor come to the table: a few did each. It was only the Christians and those who have been cowed by the Christians who engaged me.

Some of those who came to the table were sympathetic but had concerns with atheism. One said ‘I understand the importance of the separation of church and state, but when they start banning Christmas in public grade school that’s going too far.’ I suggested that because not all religious holidays enjoy the same investment of tax dollars that celebrating Christmas was an instance of government establishment of religion and thus a violation of the First Amendment. One person said they liked what I was doing but ‘most people think atheism means evil’ (Devilishly, I said that’s why I did it). Another said I was just pushing my faith on other people: I reminded him that he came up to me and started the conversation, and that disbelieving the claims of religion was not a matter of faith.

A small number of people looked at the Web page. For all of four hours, there was a freethinker on campus that people could ask questions to and hear answers from. But what I value most out of the experience was the words of encouragement I got from the non-Christian majority who stopped by. Most of them appeared concerned about being seen talking to me but they each quietly said something nice. ‘Thank you for doing this!’ ‘I’m always trying to explain these things and it’s hard, can I take two pamphlets?’ ‘It’s good to see everyone get a chance, not just the religious groups.’ ‘I look forward to discussion with you.’ ‘This is great, I’m a recovering Catholic.’ ‘My boyfriend is an atheist.’ ‘This is interesting!’ Three people gave me the ‘thumbs up.’ And my favorite vote of confidence: ‘Good on you!’

(from OVO 16 ANTICHRIST January 2006)

Universe's age erased from Texas school science standards – Short Sharp Science – New Scientist

07 April 2009 » In creationism, education, science, theocracy

In an amendment sponsored by board member Barbara Cargill, the board of education voted to replace a requirement to teach the “concept of an expanding universe that originated about 14 billion years ago”.

Universe’s age erased from Texas school science standards – Short Sharp Science – New Scientist

Dawkins Vs. OKlahoma | MetaFilter

03 April 2009 » In creationism, science, theocracy

Doesn’t the Oklahoma legislature have anything better to do?

Dawkins Vs. OKlahoma | MetaFilter

Trevor Blake: At Every Turn in Its Thought…

16 February 2009 » In blog, books, creationism, subgenius, television, trevorblake, video

Third in a series – collect them all! A few more examples of links I’ve posted (harvested in turn from other sources) showing up later at boingboing.net.

Palin believes dinosaurs and men once coexisted
Posted by Xeni Jardin on 30 September 30, 2008.
Posted by Trevor Blake on 28 September 2008.

American YouTube manga girl making waves in Japan
Posted by Mark Frauenfelder on 24 November 24, 2008.
Posted by Trevor Blake on 15 February 2008.

Free book on Free Range kids
Posted by Cory Doctorow on 13 February 2009.
Posted by Trevor Blake on 28 October 2008.

Women, Know Your Limits.
Posted by Xeni Jardin on 13 February 2009.
Posted by Trevor Blake on 11 November 2007.

As J. R. “Bob” Dobbs said, “If you want to be known as a creative, original person, make sure you imitate the right people.” I know I do.

Evolution Arguments Headed for Islamic World | LiveScience

13 December 2008 » In creationism, islam

only 25 percent of adults in Turkey agree that human beings developed from earlier species of animals, whereas 40 percent of people in the United States agree with this scientific fact, Hameed writes. And Turkey is one of the most secular and educated of Muslim countries.

Evolution Arguments Headed for Islamic World | LiveScience

What Good Is Half A Machine? | MetaFilter

09 December 2008 » In creationism, science

Directly responding to the implicit challenge some researchers have been not just figuring out how X could have evolved, but actually evolving new complex machines (previously).

What Good Is Half A Machine? | MetaFilter

Colin Barras: $7.5 trillion for a 'transitional' fossil?

11 October 2008 » In creationism, science

Palaeontologists: this could be your lucky day. Turkish creationist Adnan Oktar has just offered ten trillion lira – a mouth-watering $7.5 trillion – to “anyone who produces a single intermediate-form fossil demonstrating evolution”.

[Article continues at link. How about this one? Or this one? Or this one? Or this one? Or this one? Every one of those links includes several examples. Should any of my readers cash in on the $75 trillion, I ask for a 1% finder's fee. - Trevor Blake]

Palin Claimed Dinosaurs And People Coexisted

29 September 2008 » In creationism

Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago

Palin Claimed Dinosaurs And People Coexisted

The Pain – Science vs. Norse Mythology

15 September 2008 » In comics, creationism, subgenius

Correct.

The Pain – Science vs. Norse Mythology

Children should be taught about creationism in school, top scientist says | Mail Online

12 September 2008 » In creationism, education

Professor Michael Reiss, director of education for the Royal Society, said banning creationism from the classroom could backfire at a time of growing religious fundamentalism. [How about 'teach falsehood as falsehood' or 'teach critical thinking' instead of 'accomodate stupid']

Children should be taught about creationism in school, top scientist says | Mail Online

Articles of Faith Michael Paulson's Articles of Faith Blog

31 August 2008 » In christianity, creationism, theocracy

John McCain’s vice-presidential pick, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is an evangelical Protestant with a strong record of opposition to abortion and an openness to teaching creationism in the public schools.

Articles of Faith Michael Paulson’s Articles of Faith Blog

Scoop: Evolution: Except Vanity Fair Media Doesn't Get It

12 July 2008 » In creationism, science, synergetics

A two-day “Evolution” symposium in May inside Rockefeller University’s Buckminster Fuller dome drew a varied crowd of enthusiasts. [I'm sad that the synergetics and creationism tags went together]

Scoop: Evolution: Except Vanity Fair Media Doesn’t Get It

Religion Clause: New Anti-Evolution Strategy Emerging In Texas Education

05 June 2008 » In creationism, education

language already in the science standards, calling for the teaching of the “strengths and weaknesses” of evolution, has become the focus of debate.

Religion Clause: New Anti-Evolution Strategy Emerging In Texas Education

16% of US science teachers are creationists – being-human – 20 May 2008 – New Scientist

20 May 2008 » In creationism, education

Despite a court-ordered ban on the teaching of creationism in US schools, about one in eight high-school biology teachers still teach it as valid science

16% of US science teachers are creationists – being-human – 20 May 2008 – New Scientist

http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=060810_evo_rank_02.jpg&cap=A+chart+showing+public+acceptance+of+evolution+in+34+countries.+The+United+States+ranked+near+the+bottom%2C+beat+only+by+Turkey.+Credit%3A+Science

22 April 2008 » In creationism

A chart showing public acceptance of evolution in 34 countries. The United States ranked near the bottom, beat only by Turkey.

http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=060810_evo_rank_02.jpg&cap=A+chart+showing+public+acceptance+of+evolution+in+34+countries.+The+United+States+ranked+near+the+bottom%2C+beat+only+by+Turkey.+Credit%3A+Science

reDiscovery Institute

29 March 2008 » In creationism, subgenius

The reDiscovery Institute promotes archaic religious dogma elegantly dressed in html code and modern scientific terminology, to school boards, museums, theaters, juries, and editorial pages across America.

reDiscovery Institute

Pharyngula: EXPELLED!

21 March 2008 » In creationism, film, science

One scientist expelled (by police?) from creationist film, another scientist (Richard Dawkins) allowed in.

Pharyngula: EXPELLED!

The BEAST: Let There Be Retards

05 January 2008 » In creationism, subgenius

we had set up a website for our sham newspaper, the Special Times, “a Christian lifestyle journal for and by the developmentally disabled” [then they punked the creationist museum. Not nice.]

The BEAST: Let There Be Retards

Science, Evolution, and Creationism | MetaFilter

05 January 2008 » In creationism, education, science

The National Academies release Science, Evolution, and Creationism, targeted at the public, on the “scientific understanding of evolution and its importance in the science classroom.” 89-page free PDF.

Science, Evolution, and Creationism | MetaFilter

Daily Kos: Flying spaghetti monster defeats anti-evolution FL school board

27 December 2007 » In creationism, education, science, subgenius

fail.

Daily Kos: Flying spaghetti monster defeats anti-evolution FL school board